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“In this episode Grant and Zena talk about: how she came to work with wheatgrass; early experiments with other materials; why her process is like a school experiment; how beeswax provided a Eureka! moment; ‘collaborating’ with her material; roots’ potential in industry; working with Kylie; giving up underwater photography and becoming a full-time bio-designer; creating new products with fashion designer Phoebe English; being fuelling by optimism; oh and stealing her son’s Lego.”